xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Elderhostel Notebook #34 Oct 1, 1998 oxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox Elderhostel Notebook provides a place for elderhostlers to share information about Elderhosteling and other learning experiences related to travel. It has a world wide web site at http://discover-net.net/~jimo/eldnote/eldnote.html It is an independent project, appreciative of but not associated with Elderhostel Inc. which has a web site at http://www.elderhostel.org To subscribe to the e-mail edition send an e-mail to email@example.com ********************************************** Contents From the Editors Notebook Elderhostel News and Reviews Glyn Eyrie Conference Center, Colorado Springs Atlanta - Mercer College March, 1998 Gettysburg, Pennsylvania September 1998 HIDDEN VALLEY, AN INSTITUTE OF THE PERFORMING ARTS Hershey PA Elderhostel Toronto elderhostel at Humber College Personals ######################################## Editor's Notebook ######################################## We now have two indexes to the back issues of the notebooks. Frank Jablonski, firstname.lastname@example.org, has constructed one using Quatro Pro data base which allows for printouts based on various headings. The current version using locations as main headings is located on the notebook web page. HGlucks@aol.com has developed one that he keeps on his web page at AOL (which he invites all to visit). See his note in personals for details. Sometimes AOL correspondents e-mail is not available because they has set their mail controls to exclude all but selected mail to help stem the flood of junk mail on AOL. It is probably a good idea to test AOL addresses before sending a lengthy e-mail to see if you can get through. AOL correspondents are reminded that setting mail controls can create misunderstandings if people get a "user is not accepting mail from you" message. I'm still a little behind in catching up with reports in my reserve file. ######################################### Elderhostel News and Reviews ######################################### Glyn Eyrie Conference Center, Colorado Springs, CO, July 26-31, 1998 Larry Doyle email@example.com WoW! What a beautiful setting. This is a 700 acre site located in Colorado Springs just north of The Garden of the Gods (photo). The geology of that area extends into the Glyn Eyrie site and is at the foothills of the mountains (Rampart Range). It is run by the Navigators, a non-demoninational Christian organization. The site is within minutes of downtown and only about 25 minutes from the airport. Wild deer bighorn sheep wander over the hills grounds. So quiet you never realize how close you are to a sizeable city. Our Host, Lorraine Rush, was just outstanding and would quickly respond to all requests. The lodging was motel-style and very comfortable. The only direct influence of the Navigator's organization was No TV and No Alcohol. Food was served in their main dinning room in 'The Castle' (photo) and was varied and plentiful - not to mention downright good. There were 52 Elderhosteliers but we never felt crowded. The program was one day shorter than usual and ended after noon on Friday There were three parts of the program: 1) Colorado Springs: It's History It's Founder. The instructor, Leslie Bergstrom, sure enjoyed her subject and that showed in our participation. She gave lectures with slides and we had a field trip downtown to two museums. 2) Varied Splendor: Geology of the Pikes Peak Region (photo). Priscilla Neus brought this subject alive with slides, practical demonstrations and a hike. Lots of great information and she is a very good instructor. 3) Art, Music Ideas: OK, I fess up. This was the part I was least interested in but our instructor, Oksana Ross, managed to suck me in and I found myself really enjoying it. She gave lectures, slides, piano pieces and a field trip to the Fine Arts Center. Great location, terrific Host Instructors, very good food, nice lodging and great company. Will recommend this one for all. editor's note- There is a page of photos to accompany this report in the web edition photopage. _____________ Atlanta - Mercer College March, 1998 Stayed at a Ramada Inn on the outskirts of Atlanta. It was built as a Hyatt Regency so was much more deluxe than an ordinary Ramada. Rooms had refrigerators, microwaves and big windows with beautiful views. Food was abundant and delicious. Bacon, sausages, cereals, fruits, and eggs for breakfast. Lunch was an abundant buffet with pasta, salads, hot roast beef, etc. Of course they always had a buffet of fancy desserts - cheese cakes, fancy tortes, etc., of which we could eat as many as we wanted. We were served dinner in a room lighted by crystal chandeliers. We had several fascinating lectures about Atlanta and its history. During free time we took a 1.5 mile hike up to the top of Stone Mountain, which is really is a large stone mountain with the figures of Lee, Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson carved on it. It was started by the same sculptor who carved Mount Rushmore, but only finished in the 70's. Toured the Jimmy Carter presidential library which was surrounded by gardens with blooming spring flowers. The library displayed many artifacts of the Carter presidency. Visited the Atlanta Cyclorama which displays a 360' 100+ year old painting of civil war scenes. There is a 30' stage in front of the painting on which are statues, wagons, etc., that give the painting a 3 dimensional effect. You sit in seats and the painting revolves around you with lighting, sounds and a recorded narrative. It was a precursor of the modern movie. Also visited the World of Coca Cola which shows many posters, etc., depicting the history of coca cola. It also has a soda fountain at which you can get versions of coke as it is sold in other countries in the world. Surprised that there are many other versions of coke! Thought there was just one coke. Spend several hours at the Atlanta History Society which had many interesting exhibits about the civil war and several display houses on its grounds. Had several air-conditioned bus tours (with rest room) of Atlanta which seems to be a city with many beautiful trees and flowers, all of which seemed to be blooming. In the bus we toured Emory college which is beautiful and reminded me of the Univ. of Texas in Austin. Also toured Georgia Tech and Georgia State U which are also in Atlanta. Also drove by the house where Margaret Mitchell wrote "Gone With the Wind" and the cemetery in which she is buried. The bus tour went thru the wealthy Bulkhead section of Atlanta which has many beautiful estates including the 18 acre estate of the governor. Atlanta is a beautiful city and was very easy to drive around with in our car. The hotel where we stayed was very convenient to highways. Kay Secrist is very organized and everything ran like clockwork. Highly recommend this Elderhostel. Bill _______________ Gettysburg, Pennsylvania September 1998 Jean Sterling firstname.lastname@example.org Classes: Three Days at Gettysburg Why the North Won Why the South Lost Related Topics Gettysburg is what is known as an elderhostel super site, because they host more than 30 elderhostels each year. The coordinator told us that they learn from every evaluation form that is handed in, and they run a really fine elderhostel. Everybody the motel people, the coordinators, the instructors, and the people at the restaurant where we had our meals went out of their way to make the week enjoyable and educational. Accommodations were at the Days Inn. The motel was quite new and very nice. There was a fitness center, which featured a treadmill just like we have at the YMCA and some weights. The YWCA sponsored the elderhostel and we had use of their facilities as well. A van was available for trips to the battlefield, the YMCA, or downtown. We had breakfast at the Days Inn a choice of cereals, fresh fruit, bagels and such, and some apple strudel that was absolutely delicious. Lunch and dinner were at Perkins, which was next to the Days Inn. Perkins provided tasty fare that provided for the vegetarian and folks who might be watching their fat intake. The Battle of Gettysburg lasted for three days, and Three Days at Gettysburg covered each of the three days. We had some lecture, which was followed by a field trip to the battlefield. The instructor was a licensed battlefield tour guide who had written some books about the battle. He did not rely on secondary sources, such as other peoples book. A lot of his research had been done using actual letters and memoirs of people who had actually been in the battle. He was enthusiastic and interesting. In the discussions about the reasons the north won, I learned some interesting things I hadnt realized before. For instance, the South had pretty much been victorious until Gettysburg, and there were people in the North who just wanted to let them go. This was in spite of the many handicaps that the South had. The determination of Abraham Lincoln kept the North in the fray. The instructor for this class was very interesting and really knew his subject very well. Related topics covered a variety of subjects such as medical care in the Civil War, the role of African-American in the war, and a visit from President Abraham Lincoln. President Lincoln was amazing the fellow, except for being a bit shorter, looked just like him. He was presented as the President of the United States and talked to us about his problems with keeping the Union together. After about 30 minutes, there was a question and answer period when we could ask questions. People addressed him as Mr. President and asked some excellent questions. Another visitor was a Civil War surgeon dressed in Confederate gray, who discussed Civil War medicine with us. He had a great array of pills and potions, and showed us where the surgeon kept his scissors (stuck in his tunic), where he kept his scalpel (in his saddlebag or in his mouth while operating), and wherehe sharpened his scalpel (on his boot). Anesthesia, such as ether, was available and used during the Civil War, but cleanliness in the operating room was not practiced at this time. This was a great elderhostel for learning a lot about the Civil War in a very interesting way. I recommend it. _______________ HIDDEN VALLEY, AN INSTITUTE OF THE PERFORMING ARTS - California Steve/Maxine Slomka email@example.com I've just returned from Elderhostel at Hidden Valley, CA and can't believe I stayed the entire time. It was a truly abysmal experience. This is my 5th Elderhostel which in no way compares to the other four. Our coordinator coordinated nothing. Except at mealtimes, he was rarely around. Scheduling was idiotic -- breakfasts at 9, lunch at noon, and dinner at six. Nothing further was provided until breakfast again at nine the next day. There was no phone or TV -- which I knew before I came -- however there was nothing else. Even the daily newspaper was provided by an Elderhosteler. When a videotape was played of an evening, an Elderhosteler was in charge of turning it on. When we went to the aquarium, we had to arrange our own transportation and then an Elderhosteler collected the money and kept track of the members attending. The meals consisted of one main dish. If you weren't a fish or pork eater, you were out of luck. Evenings began immediately following six o'clock dinner and stretched out until you could read no more. There were no playing cards and it was too dark to walk, and nowhere to walk to if you tried. I have never had so much free time on any Elderhostel I've gone to. I knew the housing was not to be luxurious, but i never anticipated rubberized mattress pads and rubberized pillows. I am not incontinent, nor was this a hospital. The room was dank and less inviting than a summer camp facility, but that's where you spent your evenings reading. When I told the coordinator that my airport bus left at 2 p.m., he said he'd take me at 12 and that I could wait around Monterey. He took four of us in his car at the same time [$9 each] and told me that in case I didn't know it, he was doing me a favor. There was no bus depot -- you waited out in the street for 1 1/2 hours with your luggage. under the circumstances, you couldn't even use a toilet facility. When the bus driver came through to drop off passengers, she kindly let me put my luggage on the bus until she returned to pick me up for the airport an hour later. Most of the Elderhostelers were unhappy and disappointed, but whether they will contact you, I don't know. I do know that they expressed much of this in our questionnaire. Whatever I did enjoy this past week, and there were a few things, they were in no way connected to Hidden Valley. Cordially, Anne Slomka ____________ Hershey PA Elderhostel February, 1998 We stayed at a Comfort Inn and ate most of our meal at the Inn. Accommodations were comfortable and the food was good. Enjoyed the week in Hershey learning about the Hershey company and eating all the candy that was available everywhere. The founder of Hershey, Milton Hershey built his factory in the middle of farmlands so he could get an easy supply of milk. He designed a model city around the factory and it differed from other model cities in that the workers bought their own homes. He gave schools and other municipal buildings to the city. Hershey and wife were childless and left their entire estate to a private school which still controls the company. Students gave us tours of the school which now has a five billion dollar endowment rivaling Harvard and the Univ. of Texas and sits on 10,000 acres in Hershey. The school is for about 1000 healthy, good children from bad backgrounds and has classes from kindergarten thru high school. They are taught Spanish, French and German from the first grade on. We had a delicious lunch at the school cafeteria which looked more like the Edwardian restaurant at the Hotel Plaza in NY than a school cafeteria. Waitresses said our meal was similar to what the children were eating that day. We were transported around in a motorized trolley. Toured Hershey's mansion which is now the home of the Hershey Trust (manager of the $5 billion school endowment). The school doesn't know what to do with all its money and donated some money to the state of Pa to build the Penn State medical school in Hershey. It includes a 500 bed hospital and has all private rooms. We spend a day in the hospital and were given tours and had health lectures by several doctors. Sounds like we will all getting gene tests in the near future to determine what we may be in line for. They are now working on ways to correct our defective genes. We toured the hospital fitness center and were given exercises and a lecture by a fitness expert. Greeted at the Hershey technical center by the retired CEO of Hershey Foods we were shown test kitchens and samples of the candy manufacturing process. When we left they gave us a bag of candy including one huge Hershey bar. So busy touring, listening to lectures, and eating that we really had no free time. Things going on from 8:30 am to 9 PM. It was a very enjoyable and delicious week. Bill ________ Toronto elderhostel at Humber College Bill842@aol.com The city of Toronto reminded me of Los Angeles in that they are both spread out and very modern. Both are so large that they seem overwhelming in comparison to Atlanta which is small and cozy. Toronto is very humid, perhaps caused by being right on Lake Ontario. It has several miles of public beaches and a park with unusual civic buildings on the lakefront. Toronto has more hours of summer daylight than we have in CT., must be because it is further north. Was bright from about 5 A.M. to about 10 P.M. Conversely, they have must have fewer hours of daylight in the winter. Toronto has many immigrants who want to live in their own unique areas. In contrast to the USA, they seem proud of their heritage and strive to maintain their identity and culture. It has a very large Asian population and an interesting Chinatown section. Mandarin Chinese is being taught in the Toronto high schools and has replaced Latin which is no longer being offered in the high school. Went thru it on Sunday and the sidewalks were full of vendors and Chinese people doing their shopping. Was hard to drive thru due to the large number of people in the streets. Attended several events of their International festival. The German pavilion was held in a club that occupied the first two floors of a large, modern 135 unit apartment building. The club has a 800 family membership and 80% of the apartments are occupied by members of the club. They provided musical and dancing entertainment. They had a choir who were dressed in costumes that looked like something out of the "Sound of Music". The Ukrainian Exhibition folk dancing was dramatic and very acrobatic. We were all exhausted just watching the tremendous workout that they went through. We stayed at Humber College in the outskirts of Toronto. It is a two year college with an enrollment of 60,000 students, mostly commuters. The campus was modern and the high rise, coed dorm in which we stayed was air conditioned. Bathrooms were also coed as they are in most colleges. Separate men and women's bathrooms will probably be obsolete in another few years, to the disadvantage of men who don't usually have to wait in long lines. The Elderhostel course itself wasn't up to the standards of other Elderhostel courses. Co-ordinator was very poor and unorganized. Speakers were ill prepared, when they showed up at all. Slides shown upside down, one speaker just read text that he never had seen before. But I enjoyed the week in Toronto despite the poor course content, and did a lot of sightseeing on my own. ######################################### Personals ######################################### From: SantaFe812@aol.com We are thinking about going to Texas in February for 3 elderhostel weeks. Has anyone been to the Del Mar College/Corpus Christi week of Shipwrecks and golden treasures, world beneath sea, and do dolphins always smile; The University of Texas South Padre Island week; the Kingsville-Kings Ranch week or any of the University of Texas/Brownsville weeks? We would be glad to hear from anyone who has experienced any of these elderhostels. Thanks, Georgia Honeyfield ____________ From: BramaJ@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 18:04:20 EDT Subject: Morro Bay My sister and I are thinking about attending the hostel sponsored by California Polytechnic State University at Morro Bay, California. Can anyone give us any subjective information about same? Thanks in advance. Betty Jacobson ________ From: HGlucks@aol.com Subject: Index to Elderhostel Notebooks I originally made an index to the Elderhostel Notebooks for my own use and kept it on my hard drive. I have been intending to clean it up, put it on the web and make it available to others after I finished putting all the links and other finishing touches I wanted into it. However, I am one of the world's great procrastinators and now realize that if I wait until I get everything I want in before giving it to you, it will never happen. Since I find it to be quite satisfactory for my purposes as is, others may find it useful also. As each new issue comes out, I update the index. It is located at http://members.aol.com/EldrNdx HG (firstname.lastname@example.org) ______________ From: Gerleon@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:07:36 EDT Looking for information on Ederhostel in Lake Garda, Italy. #602930507, studying history. Does anyone have information about this elderhostel. Would appreciate any information concerning this place. Thanks......Gerleon @aol.com ______________ From: Stjong@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:11:09 EDT Subject: Greetings!! Greetings from the Land of Enchantment......New Mexico that is... Re: Elderhostel in Lafayette, Louisiana at Southwestern University I was there in March 1998....accomodations were in a nice Motel ....a bus was provided for transportation to the school where the program was held....The lectures were mainly about Cajun History, Music and Food.....We went on several interesting field trips and enjoyed a Crawfish dinner served in the classroom...There was nothing planned in the evening but I enjoyed trying out the Cajun food and listening to music at several good restaurants...The bayou country is very unique...a nice side trip is to driveabout 45 miles south to Avery Island where Tabasco Sauce is made....also, it is only about 100 miles to New Orleans...This would be a nice program in the spring or fall. I am particularly interested in programs where the accomodations include a single room with private bath..... Will look forward to getting the October issue of Notebook... Thanks...Jo ________ Subject: Personals--Switzerland in 1999 From: Kay and Bill Jones"
We have been accepted for the international trip "Walking in Switzerland, #66052-0630, 6/30/99 to 7/13/99. We'd love to hear from anyone who might be going on that trip or who has gone on it in the past. Bill and Kay Jones, Natchez Trace B Reservation Service, 800-377-2770 http://www.bbonline.com/natcheztrace