xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo Elderhostel Notebook #47 June 1999 oxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox Elderhostel Notebook provides a place for elderhostlers to share information about Elderhosteling and other learning experiences related to travel. It has a world wide web site at http://members.aol.com/EHnotebook It has a world wide web site indexing programs reviewed at http://members.aol.com/EHindex It is an independent project, appreciative of but not associated with Elderhostel Inc. which has a web site at http://www.elderhostel.org To subscribe to the e-mail edition send an e-mail to EHnotebook@aol.com or Olsonjam@uwec.edu ********************************************** Contents From the Editors Notebook Elderhostel News and Reviews Canterbury Elderhostel in Oviedo, FL Gettysburg Service Elderhostel San Francisco Arts Humanities Deluxe Program South Dakota Regional Traveling Studies Rome, The Eternal City University of Texas/Brownsville/South Padre Island Center Texas A M, Kingsville February 21-26 Grand Canyon Odyssey-Yavapai college Personals ######################################## Editor's Notebook ######################################## This issue has emptied out my reserve folder and it is open and waiting for your latest reports of programs you have attended this summer. For those of you who have mail programs with the ability to exclude mail from all but selected addresses please note that the newsletters are sometimes mailed from firstname.lastname@example.org and sometimes from EHnotebook@aol.com, depending on which service is working best at the time so you need to set your mailer to accept mail from both addresses or the mail will bounce resulting in your removal from my mailing list. If you wish to shield your internet address from public view, please let me know when you send in your reports and I will not include the e-mail address in your report. More and more of you are setting up your own web pages where you describe programs you have taken. I have included links to some of these in the Notebook web site in the Photo Page or the Virtual Elderhostel section. Many elderhostelers are at the age now where they are veterans of one or another of the world conflicts and sometimes may take an elderhostel to visit an area related to their service years in some way. It would be interesting if some of you would include in your reports from time to time a brief explanation of why it is you chose a particular program in terms of some special meaning it has to you and events in your life (whether service related or not). ######################################### Elderhostel News and Reviews ######################################### Canterbury Elderhostel in Oviedo, FL Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:58:37 -0400 "Carl Anderson" email@example.com Would like to commend the staff and instructors at the subject Elderhostel attended May 16-21, 1999. The facilities were marvelous. The Canterbury Retreat Center is a Episcopal run conference center snuggled in a nest of trees overlooking a small lake. The food although not excellent, was adequate and plentiful. The courses were on "Memory and Aging", "Humor" and "The Master Pieces". The first two were excellent while the third was (in my opinion) mediocre. A tour was provided mid week to the Rollins College Chapel and to the Charles Hosmer Morse Museum of American Art in Winter Park, Florida. Both of which were extremely fascinating and enjoyable. The schedule of activities was full with activities starting before breakfast with morning worship and ending ein the evenings about 9PM. Every weekday evening was a planned event with an Ice Cream Social, a Movie, Opera Highlights (video) and a graduation dinner on Thursday. The program ended after lunch on Friday. Carl Anderson ____________ Gettysburg Service Elderhostel BonDurant firstname.lastname@example.org This program was excellent. The program was run by the YWCA of Gettysburg and Adams County, and Deb Williams was our enthusiastic coordinator. Our location for four of the five days was the Rose Farm which was involved in the second day of battle at Gettysburg. The farm had an 800 foot picket fence (1600 pickets). There were 29 participants, and our job was to replace some of the support posts and pickets, scrape the paint off of the fence and then paint it. On our last day, we cut the wood for 12 picnic tables and completely assembled 6 of them. Our tour guide was Tim Smith, and he was marvelous. On three separate days he spent one hour going over a day of the battle. After the class, we would board a bus and go to the battle site. He made it very easy to understand what was happening on each day of the battle. The extra curricular activities were also very enjoyable, fun, and informative. Our accommodations at the Days Inn were very nice, and the staff made every effort to accommodate requests. They had a continental breakfast for us each morning that was good. Our lunch and dinners have been better but were passable. We highly recommend this elderhostel. Marcia and Ed _____________ San Francisco Arts Humanities Deluxe Program #05703-0509-1 HOLYAL@aol.com When we arrived we were informed that one of the elevators was not working. Consequently much waiting to get to your room and to class. More over the other elevator was not operating very well because quite a few of us were trapped in it more than one time. Several people were extremely upset because of it. Frankly the program should have been postponed until the elevators were updated. Also, the hotel is on a corner inhabited by street people and a number of the participants were accosted by them. Food: Breakfast was acceptable. Lunches were marginal except the one at the Culinary institute which was outstanding. At one lunch you had to walk up four flights of stairs which was an unacceptable challenge for some. Also, after two of the lunches you were left to find your way back to the hotel on your own. Another unacceptable challenge for seniors. Dinners were unacceptable. The spaghetti the first evening was without taste and the sauce watery. Another evening the Flank steak was not palatable and was not eaten by several persons. Instruction. The lectures of "Americans in Paris" was well presented and the Professor was well prepared. The lectures on cuisine was "winged" by the professor. The preview on the play "The first picture show" was acceptable. Our night at theater was a disaster. We were seated in the balcony in seats not suited for children. Even the petite ladies were cramped. I had to leave as my leg went to sleep. A the price we were charged for this Elderhostel we should have had comfortable seats in the orchestra. After reading the reviews the next day I concluded that I didn't miss anything. Our coordinator was very nice and did a fine job. Unfortunately she didn't have much to work with. It was billed as a Deluxe program and in my opinion it was far from it. Al Davies PS We are planning to take the 33 night program to New Zealand and Australia. If any one would like to pass on any information on this program we would appreciate it. Particularly info that would help us enjoy it more. Send info the email@example.com ________ South Dakota Regional Traveling Studies firstname.lastname@example.org We attended an outstanding elderhostel--South Dakota Regional Traveling Studies--during the week of May 15, 1999. When we enrolled, Boston advised us that the program had been modified basically to include more travel and less course work. This suited us fine, but we never guessed how much travel that would entail. We spent ten hours each day, for five days, on the road via a first class bus covering 1,000 miles that included every point of interest within about a hundred mile radius of Rapid City. Each site was very interesting, and the entire trip wonderful. We stayed at the beautiful Palmer Gulch Lodge, a truly first class resort, and only five miles from Mt. Rushmore. In addition to our daytime and night program visits, we passed it at least a dozen or more times. The Crazy Horse Monument was just as impressive, especially since we learned so much about the man, his life, and the reasons he was chosen to represent the Indian Nations. Other places visited were Mammoth Site, a National Natural Landmark, the Journey Museum in Rapid City, Bear Country, Custer State Park with its 1,200 buffalo, Wind Cave National Park, Buffalo Jump, Fort Robinson, the Black Hills Mining Mus- eum, Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Wounded Knee, the Badlands, along with several other sites. A paragraph could easily be written about each. Our coordinator, Marilyn Hovland, was a marvel. The fact that she knew all of these great places is remarkable, but to arrange to visit them in a timely, well- organized way was almost unbelieveable. Also, Donovan Sprague, a professor of Indian Studies, accompanied us each day, giving us detailed explanations of Indian history, lore, and culture. This was our 60th elderhostel and certainly ranks among the best. My wife and I highly recommened it. Written by Ed Woy/submitted by email@example.com editors note- When someone who has a 68 elderhostel experience qualification rates one as outstanding it must be a good one. _________ Rome, The Eternal City Trinity College April 18 - May 1 1999 firstname.lastname@example.org - Carol and Don Harting We couldn't have picked a better place for our first International Elderhostel. Our site was excellent - Hotel Casa Kolbe, a remodeled abbey, sits at the base of the Palatine Hill, close to many of the Roman ruins; Colosseum, Forum, Capitoline Hill, and the Circus Maximus; within walking distance of the Pantheon, Campo de Fiori, Piazza Navona and so many more churches, museums, and places of interest. This is a walking Elderhostel. It requires a great amount of walking - up stairs, up hills, on much uneven pavement, mostly cobblestones. Accommodations were good, with comfortable beds. Quiet rooms overlooked a beautiful courtyard garden. All meals were served at the Hotel. Breakfast was yogurt, cereal, hard rolls with butter, cheese and jam, and juice and coffee. Lunch, the biggest meal of the day, and dinner included lots of pasta, soup, veal, chicken and fish and fruit with wine always available. The courses and instructors were outstanding: Renaissance, Baroque, Roman Art - Opera, Literary Rome and Women in the Renaissance - Contemporary Italian Society and Politics. All of these subjects were taught by professionals and were quite enjoyable. Each course was followed by a morning or afternoon walk to see what we had just learned about. The most enjoyable being the talk "Behind the Scenes at the Vatican Museums" given by Walter Persegati who served as the Secretary General and Treasurer of the Vatican Monuments, Museums and Are Galleries for 19 years. About 75% of our time was spent outside. The weather in April was pleasant and sunny but we did have some rain. Be prepared for both. There were several free afternoons to explore on our own. We were given many ideas of how to fill that free time. My husband and I on our free day decided to take a private Tour to Assisi. This Tour Company also offered day trips to Pompeii, Isle of Capri, Florence etc. , for a nominal charge, booked through Hotel Casa Kolbe. Bus trips out of Rome took us to Tivoli to visit Hadrian's Villa and Villa D'Este and to Ostia Antica. Several evening excursions were included, usually by city bus, to Piazza Navona, Trevi Fountain, Spanish Steps and a special evening concert at a church. Our Co-ordinators were multilingual as was the Hotel management. They made us feel very comfortable and gave us excellent assistance. Our two weeks ended with a visit to the Borghese Gallery and an "Arrivederci Roma" dinner at a fine restaurant. A fitting ending for our wonderful visit to Rome. _____ University of Texas/Brownsville/South Padre Island Center February 14-19 SantaFe812@aol.com This Elderhostel was held at the Holiday Inn Sunspree on the beach at South Padre Island. The hotel rooms were very nice and the beach was only a few steps away. But we had to skip a class to get to the beach. It was a filled week. The food was very good, well prepared and attractive. The history class was taught by a college professor who was a story teller. He sat in a chair in front of us in his cowboy boots and spun stories about the history of Mexico and south Texas that were spellbinding. His classes were really a treat. For me, this was the best class of the month. Informative and fun. The computer class was mainly for beginners but those with more experience could increase their knowledge of getting on the internet. Some students had trouble getting access to the internet so played computer games. The Conversational Spanish class was fun and some of us learned some very basic survival skills. We made one field trip to Matamoros, Mexico where we had lunch, attended a Folkloric Ballet (which had not been on the original agenda) and had a little time to shop. The beaches are great for collecting small shells but are full of tar that has to be removed from your shoes. We were told that it was natural to the area and had nothing to do with the oil drilling. The coordinators were good. They shared with us from their own Brownsville perspective regarding Texas/Mexico relations. I would rank this as a very good Elderhostel. My main complaint is that we were too busy, had too many classes. It would have been nice to have some more time to spend on the beach. _____________ Texas A M, Kingsville February 21-26 SantaFe812@aol.com We stayed at a small motel which was adequate. Breakfast was served either as a continental breakfast at the motel or at a pancake house across the highway. Most of us went to the pancake house. They had good coffee and food. Lunch and dinner were served buffet style at the college cafeteria. The food was surprisingly good and more than adequate. The Spanish teacher was a charming lady but taught at a level that was higher than most students were able to comprehend. She had some excellent work sheets and the first day went well and was fun. For us beginners, it was downhill after that. The Pre-Columbian Cultures class was very interesting. The instructor was new to the program and approached the class from a very intellectual framework. He put a whole college semester into 5 hours of classes for us. Good handouts. Our instructor was enthusiastic and serious about seeing that we learned as much as possible about Pre-Columbian culture. His class was the month's highlight for Bob. The King Ranch portion of the week was the main attraction for coming to Kingsville. We had a tour of the King Ranch and spent a part of each day at the King Ranch Museum. We had lectures there that were interesting but became repetitive. The curator presented the lectures and knew her subject well. They also had great coffee breaks. Their home made muffins were delicious. The tour of the ranch was interesting. This Elderhostel was OK. The coordinator was nice and worked hard to make it good. We'll be glad to answer questions about any of these weeks. Bob and Georgia Honeyfield __________ Grand Canyon Odyssey-Yavapai college "An Incredible Journey" April, l999 BAHamm@webtv.net (Billie A. Hamm) This is a 7 day EH that starts at Marble Canyon, Az. and ends at Peach Springs, Az. ( at mile marker 116 on old route 66-10 miles E of peach springs)--this program was difficult to get to if you were not driving. We picked up a car in Las Vegas and drove to St. George, UT and stayed sat. nite-then on Sun. we drove through Zion park via Page, Az. to Marble Canyon (35 mi from Page)--about a 200 mi drive. All good roads. At end of trip, we were only 150 mi. from Vegas so good excuse to spend one night there after program ended. we stayed in a travel lodge right off strip for $30. Only 3 blocks from airport also. Freak snow storm and cold weather made our coordinator (George) late and some of the EH people were stuck in Flagstaff because roads were closed and did not get there untill next day. We had clear crisp days while in Marble Canyon. ( I think this would be better done later in april when all weather fronts are gone and spring is present) Lodging: Only one place to stay-Marble Canyon Lodge. Was OK--had TV but no phones. Mattresses could have been better but all in all OK accodomations. We spent 4 nites there. Food: Good--restaurant on property run by Native Americans. Had large buffet breakfast with hot items and also cereal, juice , fresh fruit etc. Lunch was sandwich bar and Indian tacos . They packed us brown bag lunches other two days. sandwich, chips, cookies, fruit etc. and drink. Dinner-no choices but what we had was well prepared and adequite. 1st day had lectures in am by Joanna Joseph. She took us on field trip in afternoom to Lees Ferry. after supper, Shawnn Farry spoke on california conors. 2nd.day-left at 9 am to visit Glen Canyon Dam (Lake Powell) and then to bottom of dam to start our Colorado river float trip from there to Lees Ferry. (17 miles) All the rapids trips down Colorado start at Lees Ferry. We did not have rapids on our trip. We ate our sack lunches on river. Stopped along way and looked at pictographs left by indians on walls of canyons. That evening George talked to us about what Thur. would involve. (This was our travel day to Peach Springs via south rim of Grand Canyon) 3rd day: This day involved all lectures- am and pm. Charlotte Beyal (a Navajo indian) was the speaker. We skipped out and went to Page to see museum and Antelope Slot Canyons. Unfotunately, too windy for tours that day so just did museum. 4th day: Left at 8 am in caravan to Peach Springs and Grand Canyon. Stopped at several view points along way and spent what time we wanted at south rim. Had a sack lunch , but opted to eat at resturant instead. Arrived at Grand Canyon Caverns Inn arouond 6 pm. ( Our home for the next 3 nites.) It is in the middle of desert at mile marker 116-Rt. 66) Lodging: Looked like it had been up graded recently. No tvs or radio reception there. phones in rooms. clean and beds better than 1st location. Food: Not as good as 1st location, but plentyful. Breakfast: hot, cereals, lots of fresh fruit etc. Lunch: sandwichs and sack lunches Dinner: Nice salad bar and cafeteria style hot things. 5th day: George lectured in am on natural history of area and had a field trip in afternoon. It was so cold and windy that some of us opted for Cave tour instead. Nice cave. competly dry. It's one of tourist attractions in state. Mike Young, a geoglist that was taking us on tomorrows trip to bottom of canyon, lectured after dinner. 6th day: Highlight of trip. We motored to bottom of canyon down Diamond Creek road to the river. It was cool when we left but very quickly started shedding our layers of clothing as we went deeper into canyon. About a mile from river , those of us who wanted to, hiked rest of way down. wading in creek as it cris-crossed back and forth across road. The river was full of rapids here and very beautiful. That night Mike and Karen Landis, ranchers and authenic "cowboys" talked to us about their life. 7th day: Headed for Las vegas after breakfast. Comments: No free time on trip. Busy both day and night. but considering we were more or less isolated from civilization, it was nice they provided things to do, Quite a bit of walking involved over uneven grounds. mostly level tho. I you have any more questions concerning this trip, please e mail me. ######################################### Personals ######################################### From: "Benjamin B Lewis" email@example.com Subject: 6/8 John C. Campbell Folk School HI - Maybe the flip side of the early pay policy is that now we can pay the whole thing with a credit card. I guess that helps some. I enjoyed the folks and the class at the John C Campbell Folk School in North Carolina. A very large percent of the students there had returned for more than one time, which says a lot for the classes. The only problems were what I already expected: hard to get single housing and the mixing of ages within the housing and everything else. They didn't even have elderhostelers identified as such on the name tags. What I didn't expect, I was housed in a single room, but in a two bedroom house with a feminist female and a twenty-year-old, very scared girl in the second room. Of course, that meant sharing a bath. In trying to put the girl at ease, my comments were taken the wrong way and I succeeded only in frightening her even more. This misunderstanding led to me being called into the "principle's" office! When I realized how tired I was getting and learned I wouldn't even have a single room the second week, I decided to come home. If I was younger, I would open a ten or twelve unit motel in the little town, so elderhostelers could enjoy learning the crafts a little easier. I did suggest they at least house elderhostelers together. It would seem more logical to me. (An older couple would have been quite comfortable sharing the little house, I would guess.) North Carolina was beautiful. We got a light ice storm the second night I was there which frosted everything like a Christmas card. When I got to my brother's in Highlands, there was some snow. But I had to come home to my 6000' plus Colorado home to find 75 degree weather! ________________ - From: "Galen R. Frysinger" Galenfry@excel.net Just came across your notebook efforts. I have attended 25 Elderhostels, and for each one have prepared a web page of photos taken on that program.They are referenced at http://galen.u-max.com/elderhtl.htm You may wish to create a link to my photos.I am scheduled to attend four programs yet this year, and will send to you a report, as well as preparing my own web page for each of these. Best wishes, Galen R. FrysingerSheboygan, Wisconsin, http://galen.u-max.com/ editors note- A link to Galens pictures is in the Photo page of the notebook web site. _________ from: firstname.lastname@example.org (Louis Esack) I just want to thank you for the Notebooks. We enjoy reading about places we might want to see and places we would not like to see. We have attended 16 EHS in the US and three overseas. China, Russia, and one two week stay in London only. Some are better than others, but we have not been really disappointed as long as you go with an open mind. We are thinking about going to Hawaii and would like any info on the schools and when is the best time to go. Marcy ______________ From: Donhelfer@aol.com My wife and I are interested in attending Elderhostels in Arizona and New Mexico. We notice an abundance of Grand Canyon sites. Does anyone have any recommendations on which ones are best and worst? How about the Nogales Elderhostel? Don Myrle Helfer email@example.com _______ From: PMuller141@aol.com A few of us are considering program #52695 at San Diego State University on page 32 of the Fall 1999 catalog and would like to get the experience of other Elderhostelers. Any ideas? Many thanks.