Elderhostel Notebook July 1996

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    From the Editors Notebook   
    News and Comments  

    Elderhostel Reviews   


    Editor's Notebook                  

Some readers who have been subscribed for the first issues of EN
may have noticed the absence of the old car ascii art logo. It
has gone the way of progress on the internet. There are just too
many mail systems using different fonts and sizes and proportions
that affect ascii art for it to be practical to use on a mailing
list with wide distribution.

This will also simplify the formatting for the two part edition
of EN. That is the edition sent to addresses where the mailboxes
have a size restriction, such as those at AOL. I understand from
some readers that is also true of Prodigy so I'll be switching
those addresses to the two part edition, and I suspect CompuServ
as well.

Our companion publication "Silver Threads" has solved some of
those problems by having a world wide web edition that one can
browse and read on line
(http://www.mbnet.mb.ca/~kyletomi/threadx.html) in addition to
the Boulder Community Net and AOL seniornet Library and Archives
where the ascii text copy is archived.  Perhaps later this year
we will be also setting up a web site for the Elderhostel
Notebook- and then we can get a new logo. We will continue an
e-mail edition, however, since e-mail is the essence of internet

I sit here at River Plaza Apartments in Eau Claire Wisconsin
where I have a view of the Chippewa River from one window and a
view of the main downtown street from the window here in my
computer room. Every morning an old car drives by as the owner
goes to work a few blocks away, and seeing that car still
functioning and with its own special style and lively dignity
sort of starts my day off right. Along with the coffee.

   News and Comments         

Fluff or Substance in Elderhostels

One of the comments we sometimes hear about elderhostel programs
deals with the academic quality of the programs. There are many
different points of view about this issue depending on the
purpose for taking the elderhostel. The following comments
represent some different perspectives:


Well my catalog finally came and I expectantly read all the
offerings in states nearby as well as here in Virginia.  I must
say this---are senior citizens only to have "fluff"???? What
really is offered?  First of all you can be a CivilWar buff and
trace every battlefield there is ....as well as the reconstructed
buildings. (Not for me) Then I could opt for making baskets in
North Carolina ...or maybe quilt (not for me) I could try to
trace the wanderings and sad stories from the Jewish tribes (not
for me) I could get actually physical and hike, boat, ride
bicycles, swim, and maybe fish in the wooded areas...(not for me)
and so it goes.  What am I interested in studying you might
ask...I want to stretch my mind to its mind boggling point of
departure... I want to THINK of things I myself would never bring
to mind...I want to listen to those who have worked at their
profession for years and who are experts....I could matriculate
at ivy colleges I suppose, but the Elderhostel has so much

Now I dont need an easy class on how to Internet and send
EMail....Id like to hear about all the new technologies....The
Communication Revolution is what it is called! Most of us will
not see how our children handle it....but we could have someones
vision of the future.  I am interested in Space, Radios,
Computers, Electronics, (Im taking courses in Electronic
Fundamentals and now will in the fall study Computer Logic...I
might not get all of it understood but I am TRYING to!)
Furthermore, I am interested in government .....how are we
changing our political scene?  How is Russia changing? There was
one class on spies during the Civil War....How about today?????
Please tell me I am wrong in assuming that Senior Citizens are to
have "easy" classes and please tell me that somewhere they will
accept my suggestions for classes.  I guess I am better off just
staying at home going to the community college and the
Smithsonian.  May I repeat.... Elderhostel has so much POTENTIAL!

And a different point of view:

Could I add a note, here?  It's my experience that most
Elderhostels are set up either for those who are wildly
interested in a subject, in which case they really go in depth
(such as bird watching, etc.) or they're set up for those who
wonder if they'd be interested in a subject, and are more or less
being introduced, so they can carry on afterwards by themselves.

A week isn't really time to take someone from beginner to expert
in ANY  subject, no matter how small, and any group has some who
know more, while some know less -- the "leader" has to be pretty
fast on his or her feet to keep up with the knowledgeable without
losing the beginners !! _________

And this excerpt form Canada Elderhostel catalog seems to
indicate their concernto maintain a high level of academic
quality in Canadian programs:

The strength and the raison dtre for ELDERHOSTEL Canada is the
academic program. We work very hard with the commercial operators
who have the room and board capabilities to ensure that the
academic program is of the same strength as the programs offered
in the colleges and universities programs. We find that you, the
hosteler, the receiver of the program, are both willing and able
to inform us if any piece of the program is found to be

This option of opinion is open to older adults who take both our
college and university program and/or our programs in our
commercial venues. We find you are willing to be overly fair, but
if need be, critical. Hence, this is helpful to us when or if the
commercial venture does not meet the academic criteria that we
think is appropriate. This, therefore, is an open letter asking
you to comment if the program that you have taken does not meet a
standard that you feel is in keeping with the philosophy of
Elderhostel. The challenging course and the academic adventure
offered under the Elderhostel banner must be maintained. You, as
our quality control arbitrators, are charged with the
responsibility of helping us maintain the academic integrity of

If you have concerns or particular kudos about a particular
program and feel quite strongly about it, it is best as the
Canadian invitation suggests to express them to the Elderhostel
organization in Canada or Boston. The evaluation forms you fill
out at an elderhostel site are mainly used by the local staff and
local coordinator to assist them in improving their program.


Here are a few comments about a favorite elderhostel instructor.

Jean Sterling 

If my husband and I sit go out to eat prime ribs au jus with
steak fires on the side, then follow it up with key lime pie, one
us is almost sure to remark that "Elizabeth would not approve". 
On the other hand, vegetarian biryani, which I sometimes cook at
home, is something that would definitely meet with Elizabeth's

Elizabeth was the instructor of our nutrition class at an
elderhostel given at Bates College in Lewiston, Maine last year. 
She was young, cute, most enthusiastic, and really knew her
subject.  On the last day of class she brought a whole array of
healthy snacks and munchies for us to sample.

We still subscribe to a nutrition newsletter that I learned about
in Elizaeth's class.  I must admit that I sometimes read it with
dismay.  This month's issue showed me how much fat and calories
there are in Mrs. Field's cookies - there are times when one
might prefer to remain in blissful ignorance.  Still, I must
admit that I look back at my time in Elizabeth's class with
fondness for I enjoyed myself and also learned much that I still
use today.

Elderhostel and the Internet

There are a variety of sources on the internet that deal directly
or indirectly with elderhostels.

The America Online special Seniornet section (keyword
"seniornet") has a forum devoted to Elderhostel listed under
"Arts and Leisure" section and the newly formed "RoundTable"
discussion groups at the web site "http://www.seniornet.org" has
a discussion group under the "senior Interests and Issues" topic
(may be moved to "travel").

The world wide web Elderhostel site http://elderhostel.org
continues to expand and add features that make getting
information easier. The Canadian counterpart is located at

In addition the internet can be of value to you if you wish more
information about the area you are going to, the sponsoring
institution, the subject matter to be studied, etc. Everyone who
uses the internet has by now become familiar with one or another
of the search techniques for information and can help you find
such information- (including maps to get there).

And, of course, back issues of the Elderhostel notebook are
archived at
and at the senior Special Interest group in the Los Angeles


Many Summer Programs Still Available

The Summer refeatured programs catalog reveals an unusuallylarge number of
summer programs that have not filled to capacity. If you are looking for a
last minute choice, there are still many excellent programs for this
summer to choose from. 

Looking through the online listing of availability at the elderhostel site
, http://www.elderhostel.org, I thought I detected an unusual number of
cancelled programs as well. Perhaps with the now lowered age limit, the
word has not gotten out about the programs, and sponsors have expanded
programs too rapidly to fill the need. This will probably only be
temporary, as the future promises more and more of us who can and will
enjoy the elderhostel experience. 

Perhaps the tendency to more upscale accommodations and resulting higher
costs have also had an effect. 


Programs for Women Available

Browsing the catalogs for the U.S and Canada and for Canada alone reveals
the beginning of a trend to program some elderhostels very specifically to
women's interest, particularly to active women in the area of study
outdoors, canoe trips etc. If you areinterested take a look at some of the
programs in around Glacier Park in the U.S and the Rocky Mountain area in
Canada as well. 

Perhaps this reflects some demographic trends and social trends as well. 

   Elderhostel Reviews    

Elderhostel at St. Marys, Georgia, held in October, 1995.

Reviewed by Jean Sterling 

Classes: Okefenokee Swamp
	 Cumberland Island
  	 Historic St. Marys

Accommodations were in a commercial motel.

The classes on Cumberland Island and Okefenokee Swamp consisted
of lectures and a day-long field trip to each place.

Cumberland Island is part of the national seashore and competely
unspoiled.  It is reached by boat, and the number of people
permitted on a given day is limited.  On Cumberland we saw wild
horses, wide sandy beaches, and wild oak trees that have been
bent by the sea winds and form a shady canopy behind the dunes. 
We learned about the island's ecology and history.  It was
especially interesting to learn about the Native Americans of
Southeast Georgia from a Native American.  My husband remarked
that he hadn't thought about how badly the so-called Indians were
treated by the incoming white settlers.

Okefenokee Swamp was a lot more interesting to see than you might
think.  We toured some of the watery parts by boat and the drier
parts by bus.  The water looks inky black due to the tannic acid
in the water and reflects the trees and sky beautifully.  There
were numerous birds and gators to see.  We also had a tasty
barbecue under the trees.

Historic St. Marys consisted of two mini field trips along with
some lecture.  One morning we had a tour of downtown which was
given by a most gracious enthusiastic woman.  She was the wife of
the Presbyterian minister and had recently moved to St. Marys
from Atlanta.  She told us that she fell in love with the place
when she and her husband first came to visit the church for an
interview.  Her tour was a delight.

The second field trip, which dealt more with the recent history
of St. Marys, was a tour of Kingbridge Submarine Base.  We got to
see, up close and personal, the simulators that are used to train
submariners.  Watching the people undergo training in the sub
simulator was enough to bring on seasickness.  The simulator that
I enjoyed most was the leak simulator. The concept is very simple
- they just put several guys into a large tank with a bunch of
pipes and have the pipes spring leaks.  The sailors are supposed
to patch the leaks.  The fellow operating the simulator is a bit
sadistic for a new leak develops before the first one is plugged.
Before long the whole chamber is filled with water spraying all
over the place.

The accommodations were standard motel accommodations.  There was
a swimming pool but it was very small.  The food was so-so. 
There's a coffe shop in downtown St. Marys that has wonderful
low-fat brownies. Delicious - I had dessert there several times.


The following Elderhostel report is something of a first.
It comes from a hosteler who is at the elderhostel at the time of 
writing the report:

University of Minnesota, Crookston
Exploring the Internet

Reviewed by Joancneuw@aol.com

I am so enthusiastic about this Elderhostel that it is difficult
to begin.  I came because other SNs had suggested it and I am so
grateful.  This week I have learned about and really explored the
Net. I have left the very comfortable confines of  AOL SN (where I
expect to continue to spend the bulk of my online time) and
entered into the adventure of Net Searches.  The staff introduced
us to a variety of Programs and they showed us the way to adapt
the machine to our preferences.  Whatever hesitation I had about
trying to go or do things with the mouse or keyboard has been
dispelled.  The lingering fear I had is gone.

I can not emphasize enough the importance of this hands-on
approach. It builds confidence with knowledge.  Undoubtably I
will not use everything I have been exposed to,but I leave
Crookston confident that I have become a competent communicator.
Further I appreciated the chance to use the Laptop assigned to
me,I have not decided if I will get one but we will upgrade very

The people who administer the program are pleasant and
accommodating. I can not say as much about the weather which is
so unpredictable that you should be prepared for everything. The
first few days we froze and now it is hot and humid. I must
repeat that the Staff more than compensate for that
deficiency.(If you are coming by car, toss every thing
in,clothes, fan, TV,coffee pot)

The rooms generally are nice,many are apartments,so the bathroom
sharing is limited,but there are refrigerator and stoves.The food
is generous and good. The Internet at UMC is enthusiastically


Bishop's Ranch
Reviewed by Lmegg@aol.com

I have just returned from my first elderhostel and it was the
best experience that I can remember.  Went all by myself and met
a wonderful person who shared my room. The Bishop's Ranch / el
rancho del obispo, in Sonoma Valley, California from June 2-7.
The first thing you notice is the incredible view, then the
beautiful field of wildflowers that you walk through to go to the
dining hall. The rooms were large and airy and all quite new. 
The lodge we were in had a large deck that we sat out on at night
and enjoyed learning about each other.  There were 21 of us and
you could not have picked a more congenial group.  Everyone added
so much to the program, not that it needed anything added to it. 
The planning of this program was excellent.  The class on Writing
Your Own Biography was excellent, as was the teacher who led the
class.  All the subjects we took up were great.  Wine history
with tasting 3 different wines each day just before our dinner;
astronomy and looking at the stars with two telescopes at night;
the Native Americans who lived there, the Spanish who came there,
the Russians who owned the land at Fort Ross, all came alive by
the teachers; life of Luther Burbank; special entertainment by
two members of a Jazz band with all of us singing along with
them; visit to Corbel winery, and time in the afternoon to go on
little trips by yourself.  Yes, we did all that, and completely
enjoyed it all.

One of the best extras we had was the fantastic food.  Absolutely
the greatest array of culinary art that you could imagine.  Every
meal was different and healthy too. The dining hall was large and
airy and set with vases of wildflowers and flowers were also laid
around the dishes on the buffet table.  Chicken, fish, lasagna,
enchiladas, big beautiful salads and beautiful vegetable
combinations, all always accompanied by the rolls and breads that
they made there.  We ate things we had never tried and found that
we liked them.

The temperature was hot during the day, in fact it broke a record
while we were there, but the classes were held in an air
conditioned hall and there was also a large pool to cool off in. 
But by night you had to have a blanket on the bed.  So the heat
never really bothered us that much.

As you can tell, the whole time was wonderful and went too
quickly.  But it is a time that left me feeling very peaceful
with a great  sense of  being serene and extremely happy with


Biking in Austria
Reviewed by  Grammie B@aol.com       

It was wonderful! The group was great---as EH groups usually are. Weather
was Spring-like. Even the one day it rained we didn't mind it because it
was not cold and it wasn't a torrential downpour. Most of the trip is on
lovely bikepaths along the Danube or through post-card
villages---occasionally for a brief period along a road.Very few hills,
but we had one day of terrible headwinds which was very unusual. The
distances were slightly greater than on our Holland bike trip, and most of
the group were excellent bikers in excellent condition (not us!). But
everyone was very supportive, and we never had to take the
sagwagon.(Anyhow, SOMEBODY has to be near the end of the line, right? The
leader was Frank Behrens, the head of IBT which organizes the trip,
andthere were several trainees along, all very pleasant. Accommodations
and meals were better than we expected.Altogether it was a marvelous
experience for us, and I am happy to answer any further questions.

Independence Missouri Elderhostel 
Reviewed by Martas773@aol.com 

I recently returned from a wonderful Elderhostel in Independence,
Mo.  We stayed in a modern conference center across the street
from Harry Truman's home.  Our studies centered on Harry Truman
life and times.  The focus was on his decisions during that time
, especially the dropping of the Atomic bomb. We were able to
walk to town and this was most enjoyable.   The Truman library
was certainly the highlight of the week.  I have not been to any
other presidential libraries, but feel the wealth of information
here is unequaled.    I would recommend this one highly. 


Elderhostel in Key West, Florida.

Reviewd by DonElis@aol.com

We found out that Julie Goodman, our coordinator, decided three years ago
that Key West would be a wonderful location for an Elderhostel.  She
approached several universities, and Miamis Barry University gave her an
OK to develop one in Key West.  The Fall of 1995 was her first program,
and now these Key West Elderhostels are becoming very popular with waiting
lists a common occurance.  Julie works very hard, and with classes in the
upper 40s, we felt that she could use some help.  She has put together
ajam-packed week of classes and extra-curricular activities.  A conch
train ride and lunch at Sloppy Joes(Ernest Hemingways favorite hangout)
were just acouple of the extras that Julie planned for us.  Of course the
Key West sunset is not to be missed.  We felt that we really got to know
Key West. 

Our lodgings were at the Days Inn , and our classes were held at the
Parish Hall of a beautiful downtown church.

Elderhostel in Monastery

Reviewed by  PHFitt @aol.com         

Holy Cross Monastery is across the Hudson River from Hyde Park,NY. The
monks are Episcopal Benedictine (sp?) monks -just a few. The Monastrey is
a guest house,retreat center - a part somehow of a church/center in NYC.
Beautiful property on a hill, which leads down to the shore of the river.
New additions to an old victorian (?) building include the chapel and the
monks' quarters. The diningroom is spectacular with views of the river.
Almost if not all of the bedrooms are singles. Plain,comfortable, and some
with views of the river. A warm nice place. Look in your EH catalogue for
courses offered. They vary a good deal. And the usual EH wine   cheese
party here is a tasters/cheese eaters delight. Try it! 
ValKil Elderhostel

Reviewed by  Joancneuw@aol.com

Val-Kil is the "cottage" built by FDR in the town of Hyde
Park,N.Y.  His mother's house is the Mansion that is a part of
the Roosevelt Library properties. The library contains his and
her papers and momentos.The homes are vastly different and
indicative of the women who loved them.  It is well worth a trip
to visit the sites and get in touch with these  remarkable
persons.  The EH was held on 4/14-4/19/96 and a second followed
the next week.  I understand it will be repeated in Nov.  It is
always oversubsrcibed so they have added the 2 additional
sessions this year.  Strongly recommend!!!!

The local motel was OK.  Not as pleasant as San Diego but clean
and private.  All meals are at Val-Kil,they have a caterer who is
very accommodating. Every morning a School bus picks the group up
and transports to the Playhouse turned dining room.  The program
is in the stone cottage and snacks are served there.  Lunch is
back in the Playhouse  (very short walks) and then we continued
until about 2:30 when we were returned to the Motel. 
Incidentally, the Library is literally across the street and an
easy walk if you want to put in more time.  Dinner was generally
about 6pm with some program following.  They keep you busy but
there is so much more you want to do.  They also schedule one
night out.  They will pay for dinner at a close by restaurant Or
if you want to splurge the marvelous Culinary Institute is a mile
south. They facilitate carpools and there were many of us who had
cars.  If you come East allow some extra time for some visits.

Two elderhostels Reviewed by  Bill and Kay Jones

St. Simon's Is. Ga. by Georgia Southwestern College  Nov '95.

The lectures covered coastal ecology, history of St. Simon's Is.,
coastal fisheries, birds   reptiles of the barrier islands, and
Sapelo Is. people, history, and landscapes. Field trips were a
trolley tour of St. Simon's Is., a marsh walk, an evening program
in Brunswick on psychic phenomenon (island ghosts tales the
speaker had investigated   felt were true), a beach walk, and a
day touring Sapelo Is. The instructors were good but the one of
the history and people spent too much time on scandals of the
rich and famous. It was held at Epworth By The Sea, a Methodist
conference center on the site of an old early 1800's rice
plantation. The location  was worth the trip by itself as it was
on the marsh (Sidney Lanier's famous "Marshes of Glynn") and
shaded by dozens of old magnificent live oak trees draped in
Spanish moss. The rooms were motel-styled but nice   food very
good but the setting was exceptional. To top it off, the center's
waste water treatment pond has become a waterfowl haven for shore
birds   coastal species, with herons, cranes, ducks, WOOD STORKS.
WE  counted up to 10 storks at one time. It was a good first
exposure to the area. We would recommend it.


In Mar '96 we went to Yavapai College's (Prescott, AZ) Verde
Valley/Sedona/Red Rock Country program, Walking in Beauty. It was
at a Best Western motel (and casino) out from Camp Verde   was a
very nice motel but not exciting. Food was good   programs were
great, as were all instructors   entertainment. Yavapai College
sponsors more Elderhostels than any other single institution with
16 going on during our week throughout AZ   1 other--Chinese
brush stroke painting--going on at the same time   location as
ours. We shared meals   evening entertainment.

The Birds of prey course was different as we had expected to
study field guides   then take a birding hike. Instead, our
instructor was a falconer   we were introduced to falconry with a
field demonstration by his red-tailed hawk. Hikes to Courthouse
Rock   up Cathedral Rock were outstanding as were Bell Rock  
famed Oak Creek Canyon. The prehistory lectures were on the
Sinagua people as they were the early inhabitants. Field trips to
Montezuma's Castle   Montezuma's Well were great, with several
species of ducks seen at the Well. One evenings entertainment was
western tradition in story   song by Ken Mikell. We enjoyed it so
much we bought one of his tapes. Another night was song   story
by E.J. Satala, an native American raised on a reservation. He
was outstanding. On our free afternoons the staff suggested
touring Camp Verde, Jerome,   the ruins of the Sinauga pueblo,
Tuzigoot. Birding was good in the river valley   wildlife pond
down the ridge below Tuzigoot. We hiked several miles up Beaver
Creek on the Bell Trail on our other afternoon of free time. The
birding was great   the hike was beautiful, even though it did
end in a severe thunderstorm with wicked hail. The whole week was
a terrific week run extremely well giving us a great introduction
to the Red Rock country. We can't recommend it too highly. We
will definitely go to another Yavapai College sponsored
Elderhostel in AZ.

We are doing the Nepal Elderhostel program--Nepal Trek, Abundance
of Nature-- Jan 7-20 '97   would like to hear from anyone else
who is going, or has been.


Middlewvurg , VA spring 1996

An Elderhostel in Middleburg, Va. in July was wonderful. It was
held at Foxcroft, an exclusive girl's prep school in the heart of
the hunt country. Our New Jersey Governor, Christine Todd
Whitman, graduated from here as did her mother. The dorms  have
private rooms with bath. The food was better than some and the
attendees were great as were the staff and instructors.

They offer Elderhostel  courses every summer. A very pretty
setting with an outdoor pool, tennis courts and beautiful
grounds. We got a peek at the lifestyles of the "rich and famous"
 during a lecture on fox hunting that featured the master of the
hounds. Quite a fascinating subject even for non-hunters. We
hadn't realized the economy of the area was so enmeshed with the
hunt culture. Disney had attempted to build a theme park in this
part of Virginia but supposedly it was insiders from around here
that put a stop to it. Rounding out the week were field trips to
Harpers Ferry and Antietam.

Pat and John McIntyre  patmci@net-gate.com

From:  Mama Da1 @aol.com
I'm headed for my first service program in Santa Fe at the end of Sept.
Going to make adobe bricks and help "patch up" a historical rep of an old
Spanish ranch. Looking forward to it. Just got back from an EH in So.
Carolina held at the Bonnie Doone plantation. Wonderful locale for those
of us in the "big house" but not so great for the guests in the carriage
house. But-- the food, classes and site were wonderful! 


From:  ARIES432 @aol.com

Are there any Elderhostlers who have attended the Astronaut
Training: Senior Style Elderhostel at the Kansas Cosmosphere and
Space Center in Hutchinson, Kansas?  A friend is interested in
attending in October and will go only if I go with her.  Since
the first astronaut went up into space, I've wanted to join the
program.  I'd appreciate any and all info re this Elderhostel my
cybernet friends can provide.  Thank you. 


CPorter827 @aol.com

We are scheduled to attend Elderhostel's College of the Atlantic
trip on the ketch Angelique next September. We would be
interested in hearing from anyone who has been to this
Elderhostel. Information that would be helpful includes your
general impressions, information that you wished you'd received
in advance but didn't, etc., etc.


Hi Elderhostelers:

We are going to Antartica in November. The sponsoring institution
is the Russian Academy of Sciences which owns the two ships that
offer this trip. We will be going on the Akademik Sergey Vavilov,
an oceanographic research vessel. There will be Russian
naturalists and lecturers with different specialties.The
catalogue says there will be some American and European
scientists too. Trip will include Buenos Aires, and The Parque
Tierra del Fuego of Argentina.

Has anyone on Seniornet been on the Antartica trip? Would love to
hear tips, experiences, etc. Last trip, to Costa Rica, all
information I got on the "Net" was valuable. I'll be watching for

You can find it in the Catalogue under shipboard expeditions.Page
96 of the International catalogue, Fall 1995.



From:  KMSMiller@aol.com       

Anticipating the possibility of our first Elderhostel in France, April
1997 and would like input on all three varieties - barge, university and
homestay - particularly with regard to accommodations, flexibility for
local travel and popularity relative to quick sign-up. Any personal
experiences appreciated - we love to travel, but have not yet experienced
this form. 


From:  Biobarb3@aol.com      

Am signed up for the 8/9 Indonesia trip; is anyone else going on that? Has
anyone done it before and if so do you have any tips? Hope to hear from
someone on the net. 


CPorter827 @aol.com

We are scheduled to attend Elderhostel's College of the Atlantic
trip on the ketch Angelique next September. We would be
interested in hearing from anyone who has been to this
Elderhostel. Information that would be helpful includes your
general impressions, information that you wished you'd received
in advance but didn't, etc., etc.



Eldehostels in the North east.

The following have very good EHs, you stay in motels which is a
decided plus.: Mystic Seaport, CT Old Sturbridge Village, MA
Shiretown Inn, New Brunswick, CAN

A little further south: Frost Valley YMCA/Straus Center, near
Liberty, NY (Catskill Mtns) University of MD/Eastern Shore/North,
Ocean City, MD (Hotel w/indoor pool   rink) Northern 4H
Conference Center, Front Royal, VA (1 hour from Washington)


 Cinquains from  Naniboujou Lodge Elderhostel
 October  1995- Jim Olson

              Naniboujou Speaks

          The sun is up;
          The rocky shore beckons;
          Eagle and Raven guide us on
          Our way.


         Red, then bone white;
         Bull moose have antlers now;
         The dueling dance of life begins

             The  Edmund Fitzgerald

         The ore
         That would be iron
         Escapes the fiery blast;
         The crew of flesh and steel is now
         At Rest