>xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo > Elderhostel Notebook #78, Dec. 3, 2000 >oxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox > >Welcome to Elderhostel Notebook, the e-zine where hostelers >compare notes on elderhostel programs. > >EN is an independent project, appreciative of but not associated >with Elderhostel Inc. http://www.elderhostel.org > >EN has a WWW site at >http://homepage.mac.com/jimolson/EHnotebook > >To subscribe to the e-mail edition and/or to submit reviews of >programs taken send an e-mail to the editor, Jim >Olson, at EHnotebook@aol.com > >Please keep all correspondence in simple e-mail text format. > >################################################ > From the Editor's Notebook >################################################ > >It was moving time this week-end as Elderhostel moved a few >blocks to its new headquarters at > >Elderhostel >11 Avenue de Lafayette >Boston, MA 02111-1746 > >Congratulations on your new digs- hope their move isn't as >confusing and hectic as most of ours are. > >Our mystery writer, Peter Arbesch, tells us his latest >Elderhostel Jim Dandy mystery, Tip A Canoe, will be available in >January in the book stores and we can preview it at >http://www.elderhostelmysteries.com. > >One of our participants at our last program (see the Miami Book >Fair review) has a suggestion regarding the publications of >Elderhostel catalogs like the new Spring 2001 catalog just out. >She would like the catalog to include a calendar covering the >time period covered by the catalog to assist some of us in our >scheduling especially when we haven't set up our 2001 personal >calendar yet. > >Through procastination or just the 1930's lingering mind set to >wait until something is on sale or discounted, we haven't bought >and set ours up yet either. Maybe it's the old saw about not >buying green bananas past a certain age. I hope not. > >################################################ > Dialogue >################################################ > >From: BAHamm@webtv.net (Billie A. Hamm) > >Subject:Galveston weather > >hi--just getting around to reading ED --we were in Galvaeston >last January-mid month was windy and cool. Needed coat, gloves >etc. would take layers if i were you. very windy--made wind chill >factor down even tho temp. was maybe in the 50s. hope this helps. > >.......B. > >_______________ > > > >Subj: Greece Adventures Afloat > >From: RLivsey@brobeck.com > >We are interested in going on an adventures afloat trip to Greece >in the Spring. Would appreciate any information on any of the >trips offered. Thanks. > >Bob Livsey >email@example.com > >________________ > > > >From: firstname.lastname@example.org > > >I am contemplating registration in one of two EH programs in the >spring of 2001-- > >One at Lincoln Memorial University/Cumberland Gap, TN and the >other at Emporia State University, Emporia, KS. Does anyone have >any other informatin that you can share with me about these two >EH sites and programs? > >_________________ > > >From: JoyceHH@aol.com > > >Has anyone gone to China and Tibet with Elderhostel? My husband >and I are thinking of going in April. Any information would be >appreciated. > >Joycehh@aol.com >________________ > >Would appreciate perspectives (personal or second-hand) on the >Program in Germany: "From Bavarian to Bauhaus".with stays in >Munich, Bamberg,Weimar and Berlin. > >Thanks, >Ron Olsen >email@example.com > >_____________ > >I would appreciate any feedback on the Elderhostel trips to >Northern and Southern India. Were the well run? What is the best >time of year? How were the accomodations? Thanks. > >Martin Litke >firstname.lastname@example.org > > > >################################################ > Program Reviews >################################################ > > Georgia Southwestern - Barrier Islands- Okefenokee > Arts of the Veneto: Padua and Venice > Great Camp Sagamore, New York State > Central Arizona College - King's Ranch, Apache Junction > Barry University Miami International Book Fair- 2000 > >____________________ > > > >Georgia Southwestern - Barrier Islands- Okefenokee >St. Marys, Georgia, Georgia Barrier Islands, Amelia Island, >King's Bay Naval Base >November 11 - 17, 2000 >Semloh1@aol.com > >This year we thought we would give Elderhostel a try - our first. > Since this course was within driving distance, it seemed >logical. Plus, neither of us had ever been to any of the locales >covered. Our destination was St. Marys, Georgia with excursions >to the Georgia and Florida Barrier Islands, the Okefenokee Swamp >and Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base. This Elderhostel program was >given by Georgia Southwestern State University, and our Course >Director and Leader, Tom Murray, did a fabulous job. > > >St. Marys claims to be the second oldest U.S. town and has been >voted as the nicest small town in our nation by Money Magazine. >And so it is. Tree lined streets, old houses of varied >architecture, some of them now converted into B it is crammed >with history. Just a stone's throw north from the Florida border. > >After our Orientation meeting and first dinner together in a >conference room (catered by Ulysses who made sure we sampled >every bit of Southern cooking) we were entertained by Roland >Loveless of St. Augustine who put on a one-man-show as "Henry >Flagler". He did a superb job, told us all about his life and >accomplishments, such as building fancy hotels and a railroad all >the way to Key West. I think he is a frustrated actor. Another >evening featured a lady from St. Augustine who brought several >rare and interesting musical instruments which she all played and >sang to beautifully. Among others a dulcimer and a plain wood >saw. She caused quite a stir going to a hardware store and >testing the sounds of their saws. > >After we had a thorough overview of the local history, our first >outing was to Cumberland Island, one of the barrier islands which >adorn Georgia offshore like a necklace. A ferry boat ride of 45 >minutes got us there and much hiking was involved.. > >The entire area around St. Marys and the Barrier Islands is "Low >Country", meaning there are marshes everywhere. These islands >are also known as "The Golden Isles" because the setting sun on >these marshes makes them appear like molten gold For thousands of >years people have lived on all of the islands.. The southern >part of the 17 mile long island is in care of the National Park >Service. The northern part has homes, a hotel and a tiny church >built by slaves in which JFK Jr. was married. > >On our second day we boarded a bus and drove to Amelia Island >which is a barrier island on the most northern tip of Eastern >Florida. The town on Amelia Island is Fernandina Beach. On the >way we were able to get a good look at the Aircraft Carrier John >F. Kennedy. We had a guided tour of a church and several B >which we were allowed to visit. All beautiful old Victorian >homes, lovingly restored, air-conditioned, and decorated with >great care. Some of the bedrooms were stunning. But I saw beds >so high, I would imagine you need a stepstool or a small ladder >to get into one of them! Or else you need to take the >opportunity when your mate is kneeling in prayer to climb over >him/her to get into bed! > > >We visited St. Simons, Jekyll and Sea Island as well. These >three islands are, from what we could ascertain, vacation spots >for the wealthy but also affordable for the middle class. There >are gorgeous homes, fancy hotels, great golf courses, beautiful >beaches and generally would attract the monied crowd - much like >Newport, R.I. The Cloisters on Sea Island is the pearl of all of >the hotels. > >Thursday dawned and we were headed for the Okefenokee Swamp. We >did not know what to expect. > >Our bus dropped us at a Swamp Marina at the Eastern Entrance to >the National Park. There were several boats tied up. One I >thought was particularly humorous, it had card table chars on it. >Others had fixed swivel-chairs on a fairly flat boat......seating >about 12. And off we went into a most breathtaking >experience.......one I shall never forget. > >The boat's motor was rather quiet.....and since you are in total >wilderness, this was important......not like those airboat rides >in the Everglades where they hand out ear plugs. We saw egrets, >white ibis, turkey vultures, sand cranes, herons, beautiful >flowers, and I understand in the spring time you even see orchids >growing. There are deer, bobcats, bears, snakes and many, many >alligators - we saw about 20 of them - all sizes. The whole group >was enchanted by this experience. After our boat ride we walked >a trail and saw other animals, trees, and nature at its very >purest. There were a few settlers who lived in the swamp (on an >island) - aside from refugees from the law and escaped slaves who >hid in the swamp. > > >It was a real thrill to see firsthand where Pogo called >home.......it is a beautiful piece of the United States and well >worth a visit. We understand that the Western part of the swamp >is different in character, more mysterious with more dense >vegetation. This one day excursion alone made the whole trip >worthwhile. > >We had all our dinners at the motel conference room - a catered >affair by Ulysses - and I had my first taste of collard greens. >A variation on spinach, in my opinion. After dinner there always >was entertainment. > >All in all, it was a wonderful week even though Bill was not able >to go along the more lengthy hikes. Walking seems to be the >thing when you join an Elderhostel program. I know one day I >walked 7 miles plus. And it felt great! We came away knowing so >much more about the South-East corner of Georgia and we did learn >a lot. > >__________________ > > > Arts of the Veneto: Padua and Venice > Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:15:58 AM > email@example.com > > >We attended this program (60450) in Oct/Nov 2000. It was a >delight. Very well organized in the manner expected of a Trinity >College program. Tour leader (Bianca)and assistant (Sebastian) >were outstanding. Lots of extras, like two special concerts for >us in Venice and free passes on the vaporettos. Excellent >lectures and fine guides on field trips. For lovers of >Renaissance art and architecture this was a treasure. > >We thought there would be too much emphasis on Padua, which we >really enjoyed but didn't think, in advance, woudl be deserving >of a full week. However this did not turn out to be a probllem. >We had two days away from Padua (in Ravenna - wonderful! - and >out in the countryside viewing a Palladian Villa) and, in >addition, all the excellent lectures for the Venice portion were >given in Padua due to the lack of a lecture room at the hotel in >Venice. This meant that we were able to have a full program of >guided activities in Venice while at the same time we still had >plenty of free time there. This is especially desirable in this >wonderful city. > >We completely concur with the comments in EH Notebook #55 last >year, except in our case we found the hotel rooms quite adequate >in size. In Venice there are only a few rooms in the hotel proper >and the rest are in an annex. Our room was in the hotel and was >excellent, as were at least some in the annex, but I believe some >people in the annex were less satisfied. Also some, but not we, >had problems with mosquitoes in room. Suggest you bring >repellent. Overall food was good, but not great. We thought it >standard for EH. This ranks with one of the best EH programs we >have attended, right up there with Sicily and southern Spain. > >Frank D. Benedict >____________________ > > > >Great Camp Sagamore, New York State > - Program 32839 >A Touch of Frost, Adironack Heritage, Woods Wisdom >hannahk@Princeton.EDU > > >My husband Rich and I spent the first week in October at Great >Camp Sagamore in the Adirondack Mountains located in the >west-central region of the Adirondack State Park. Dating from >1897, the camp was used by the Alfred G. Vanderbilt family for >over 50 years. Although there were three courses led by 4 staff >from the conference/retreat center, the real subject was the >great camps, the people who used them, and the environment of the >area. The instructors took advantage of all of the history, >architecture and surrounding wilderness and lake to construct a >wonderful week for 23 Elderhostelers. > >When was the last time you took a hike and stopped at appropriate >places to hear recitations of the poetry of Robert Frost? Or had >a chance to paddle a war canoe? Or sat in the same dining room >formerly occupied by Margaret Emerson Vanderbilt and 70 of her >closest friends? Or bowled in an outdoor covered bowling alley >made of local wood? The week was chock full of interesting >things to do and see. You can be very active if you like - >taking a hike around Lake Sagamore, canoeing every day, taking >tree-identification and orienteering classes, playing croquet on >the front lawn, etc. Or you can relax, as some visitors did, on >the Adirondack chairs or in the gaming lounges. We also spent an >afternoon at the fascinating Adirondack Museum, and some folks >left a hike early so they could take a cruise on nearby Raquette >Lake. > >The food was the best we've had on an Elderhostel program. >Excellent chefs who were well-appreciated. The accomodations >varied. We had a reasonable room with 2 beds in one of the >lodges. Those who stayed in the Great Lodge - a cross between a >log cabin and a Swiss Chalet (covered with birch bark and >decorated with huge spruce logs) had a variety of rooms from >small to extra large (the former nursery). Most of us shared >bathrooms, which was not as bad as I had expected. It was worth >it to have the opportunity to experience this historic site with >27-buildings that have been lovingly restored by friends of the >great camps. > >Thanks to Jamie, the coordinator and an official wilderness >guide, and Jeff Flagg, a poet and environmentalist, for being so >genuinely interested in making the 5 days interesting for all of >us. There were several evening programs as well, including a >film about the great camps and a song and story night from a >local folk singer and storyteller. We also picked the best week - >the trees were at their peak of fall color. We highly recommend >Sagamore as an excellent site for Elderhostel programs. Check >out Sagamore's Web site at http://www.sagamore.org/ . > >-Hannah Kaufman > Lawrenceville, NJ > firstname.lastname@example.org > >_________________ > > > >Central Arizona College - King's Ranch, Apache Junction > - Sonoran Desert Field Studies > Feb 27-March 3, 2000 >email@example.com > >This was our 16th EH and I would give it a 4 out of a possible >10. The location was the best part, very near the Superstition >Mountains. We took a shuttle bus from the Phoenix airport ($30 >for 2 persons). We were housed in small cabins or "casitas", >with a short walk to the dining room and classrooms. Breakfast >was continental style. Lunch and dinner were served buffet but >no choice. Fresh fruit, lemonade and iced tea were available all >day. > >The coordinators, a mother and daughter, were rarely around and >not well organized - no get-acquainted session, no biographies or >introductions of speakers, no suggestions of what to do on our >afternoon and evening off, and no cameraderie with older adults. > >There was one field trip, on a bus so old we weren't sure we'd >get to the Boyce Thompson Southwest Arboretum. Since the desert >flora and fauna was what we studied all week, it would have been >nice to have a change of pace on a side trip instead of more of >the same. We also had classes on cowboys, but only one session >actually dealt with cowboys, the other two covering the history >of the horse and the Spanish conquest of Arizona. > >Two evenings David Morris, a half-Choctaw with a great sense of >humor, talked to us about Native Americans in Arizona. Another >evening an honorary member of several Indian tribes sang and >played the drums. > >Two classes were scheduled on Arizona and Art, but the teacher >was there only once. Her slides were out of focus and she did >not show up for the second session. > >But the setting and Elderhostelers were wonderful. >_______________ > > > >Barry University Miami International Book Fair- 2000 >November, 2000 >firstname.lastname@example.org > > >The Miami International Book Fair is held annualy in Miami. This >was the 17th annual fair and the second consectuitive one that >Barry University has used as a basis for an elderhostel program. > >The Fair drew some 250 authors and 300 exhibitors to Miami Dade >Community college and the surrounding area in downtown Miami >attracting some several hundred thousand visitors during this >week-long affair with most visitors and the 50+ Elderhostel >program participants concentrated in the Thursday--Sunday portion >of the fair. > >There were a series of day-long panel discussions, readings, and >other activities using the facilites of the comminuty college in >its three large campus buildings in the area. > > > > Miami Book Fair Elderhostel > White topped > Bookworms gather > To feed on leaves of thought; > Choosing, tasting, gnawing, they feast > And grow. > >The Barry University program ran from Wednesday evening through >Monday morning with one day of classses at Barry University >Campus on the out skirts of Miami. Other classes and >accomodations were at at the Bayside Best Western Motel adjacent >to the Miami Dade Community College campus and the downtown >streets used in the fair and across Biscayne Blvd from Biscayne >Bay, an ideal location for experiencing the fair and the >"Chamber of Commerce " weather of sunshine and 70-80 degrees >during the fair. > > Girl at Biscayne Bay > Red sweatered, > Dangling bare feet, > She sits on the warm dock > Watching the wet Pelican stretch > And preen. > >Besides the classes on reading literature and some limited >disucssion Monday at the hotel, the program included a bus tour >of the city and a boat tour of the bay. Most of the program >consisted on participants independently attending the fair during >the day and as a group for several evening presentations. > >All breakfasts were at the hotel breakfast buffet, offering a >wide choice of dishes. Several evening meals and lunches were >also at the motel served buffet style. One meal was across the >street at the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company, a hoaky tourist oriented >establishement on the bay. A unique feature for several other >meals was a cash allowance to allow participants to schedule >their meals around fair events. All accomodations and meals were >well organized and everything went smoothly. > > >The instruction from Barry university staff was excellent, the >coordinators friendly, available, and effective. Perhaps the one >thing that was missing that most hostelers look forward to was >more opportunity to meet with and exchange views with other >participants, but it is hard to see how this could be more >widespread, given the nature of the program. > >I understand that the program will be repeated next year with an >optional early session on Florida Mystery Writers conducted in >the more traditional Elderhostel program style. > >About 12 of the participants were repeats from last year and >several expressed their intent of making this an annual event for >them. They were concerned that some elements of the Barry U >program were repetitive from last year although they noted >changes from last year in response to some of their concerns >about that program. I suspect their concerns were heard and >modifications will be made for next year, as it was very evident >that the coordinator was determined to make this and other Barry >University Elderhostel programs as successful and responsive to >participants needs and concerns as possible.